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dave

Sure, it seems to makes sense in the way stuff you talk about around a pitcher of beer with the guys makes sense until you get home and talk to the wife in the bright light of the kitchen.

The goal should be good work born of effective communication. Doing it in a blog could provide that. It could also provide too many voices all of which someone will have to address if a clear path to the project end is to be understoond with certainty by those responsible for the work.

So... nobody else liked the poster, huh? So I shouldn't print it then?

Cole Camplese

Two things, the poster rocks and the notion of the collective voice is a dilemma. The bigger question for me is how do we open the door to simple collaboration and give people a voice but still move things forward. There are things we just do -- without the mass input, but there has to be a way to find the balance between closed and open. I am struggling with it and hope to find the middle ground sometime ... it may be five years as Brad mentioned today ... I just don't know. Our job is to push and push until we get closer to our vision of the future -- whatever that may be. Meetings like today are a major step towards getting there. Now, how do we engage the larger conversation? You tell me.

macdaddy_b

I used to think the most annoying thing in the world was email with attachments. Most of those attachments being Word documents with nothing but text in them that could just appear in the message.

Now I've become more like you. Same problem in my colleges, people sending responses to responses vs. organizing the discussion in some "responsible" forum.

Basecamp has changed my perspective on email and the way I manage work. Disccussions start getting thick, make a Basecamp group. Doodle has cut down on those sick threads that start when multiple people try to schedule a meeting (the ones where 6 people send 8 messages a piece saying their available times and some poor sucker has to narrow 'em down). Google docs/spreadsheets great for centralizing document revision (vs. sending a Word file over and over with names like "document16-my-edit.doc"). Heck, Facebook has saved me a lot of email time this semester.

Simple wikis and blogs should have the same result. I guess its clear to some of us that there are great tools out there (and more that could exist) to reduce email overload. The hard part is getting administrators to value those tools and promote their use in organizations. One good thing I've noticed with my colleagues is that the more I force them to use these tools, the more (some of them) adopt for their own work. Still doesn't eliminate 8000 United Way campaign announcements, but gotta start somewhere.

Have a good thanksgiving. Clean out your inbox after the family meal...

Zbigniew Lukasiak

Yeah - blogging is the cure for all the information overload that email brings. So let's do everything by blog, and since going through all the blogs takes time - lets have an RSS aggregator to bring them all into one place. Hmm why there is so much all of those RSS? Hey it look just like the emails I had! I am overloaded.

D'Arcy Norman

Zbigniew, that's a very valid point. If it's just replacing email with blogs (etc...) then it's not solving anything, just shifting it onto a different application.

But, I think what Cole was getting at, is that much (most?) of the email he gets (certainly much of the email I get) isn't really a one-to-one message. It's a message posted by group members to a group, so you get emails and entire group threads building on them. Each dutifully copying themselves into everyone's inbox. Each partially archived in everyone's inbox. But, if this group work is taken into a more conducive medium (blogs, wikis, etc...) it frees email up for more individual messages.
Just like online courses don't replace face to face classes, but they can help change the nature of what you do in the more "valuable" face to face (or individual) sessions.
If much of my group email gets pulled back out to where it belongs, the emails I do get will receive a bit more attention.
Of course, this was all possible long before blogs, wikis, or even the web. Usenet could have done much of this...

Cole Camplese

D'Arcy is spot on. The idea isn't to replace email ... that would be silly. The idea is to support it to change the way an organization goes about communicating. I get about 150-200 emails a day with at least a third to half being spam. I am in meetings all but a couple of hours a day as well, so when I am at my desk I am fighting with email ... blowing through all but the most critical ones.

The exchange I cited in the original post probably wouldn't really happen during the week, but on a weekend when I would actually have the time to sit and think through the issues via email. To me the real problem is that we try to do everything with one tool and it begins to render the environment largely useless. Blogs aren't the answer, but when used effectively they are a piece to solving the challenge. Just my two cents.

dave

Intelligent insights here. I really appreciate seeing the problem defined as something other than just reducing email.

How do we move from a conversation that starts as a one-on-one business email conversation to a group attended thread in a company blog? Where should that conversation have started? Is it possible to start a thread that's only visible to, and only notifies, one other user, while allowing for the addition or exclusion of other voices? That does sound like Basecamp; especially if we need to track iterations.

D'Arcy Norman

Dave's right on - it's not about reducing email. It's about communicating (and collaborating) more effectively.

Steve Hopkins

I think this current "comment / conversation" makes a good case for the value of the blog medium for developing consensus among members of a virtual community.

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