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12/11/2006

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dave

"textbooks would be well served to include not only footnotes for citations, but comments made by readers." That's quite a stimulating thought. As threads grow and intertwine, would you see a need (and method) to prune? Teaching critical thought is worthwhile, but for a student to deal with it unguided in relation to every topic-sifting through thread after thread-seems a bit harrowing. At least to my old brain.

As my inbox fills, the "unread" column in my aggregator lengthens, and comments on unread posts build, (and a stack of magazines falls unread across my floor) what would sell me on reading what other students think about the information I'm trying to learn? Would it be a need for community? At what point does the conversation become "too much talk"?

Cole Camplese

Dave ... interesting comment ... when does it become too much? I am thinking more about a learning space as "when is it too little?" I used to think only of overwhelming hte learner with too much content, but I am now thinking adding a bit more to it all -- the background, the community, the conversation, the design, etc would give learners the opportunity to dig deeper and to contribute. Would everyone read beyond the "testable" material on a screen? No. Would a handful of learners read a handful of screens to gain a deeper insight? Probably.

To tell you the truth this is all just thinking out loud ... I would really like to see what a course space along these lines would look like after 2-3 semesters where they are filled student comments, revisions, and alterations. Could a greater depth of knowledge be obtained? Maybe.

Scott

As I said in our little meatspace conversation, I think this has powerful implcations for research as well. Imagine the possibility of being able to move from a finished article back through the analytical notes written by the researcher, all the way back to the data they used to draw their conclusions. It brings up a whole new notion of peer review, as well as an incredibly powerful way of teaching new researchers how to conceive of and carry out research. There are undeniable issues in terms of IRB (Institutional Review Board) restrictions on data use, but hopefully those would evolve as well.

I do worry about the overwhelming amount of information, but I don't think that the RSS / email / magazine overload is the same as opening up the design / research process to students engaged in trying to understand the process. Too much talk in general is not the same as full disclosure in the context of design.

Gary

“For the right fields it would make the ultimate incidental learning tool.”

I agree with this sentiment in relation to instructional design programs. One of the frustrations with many ID foundational texts and models is the lack of specificity. For example, for aforementioned Dick and Carey model includes a step called “develop instructional strategy.” The typical ID characterization of the basic systems model (input-process-output w/ feedback) is arguably general to the point of uselessness. For me, the trick as an aspiring ID was to figure out how to actually design and develop materials: How should the instruction be sequenced? What strategies are best for the stated objectives? How do I choose the most effective media? What about content structure/grouping?

Capturing the decision points along the design process could be enormously helpful to those of us who like use cases and detailed examples. I would have found something like that useful for my development. The closest I could find to something that directly addressed the transparency of design choices was the book Designing Instructional Systems: Decision making in course planning and curriculum. Otherwise, I learned by asking seasoned pros what their decisions were based on.

Again, within the context of something like an ID grad program, I think this is a fantastic idea. As for the textbook idea, I’d share some of Dave’s reservations. Part of the design of any instructional tool (including a book) is the notion of a presentation that emphasizes selective perception for the learner. This guidance is an important part of the teaching process, and I’d be wary of overwhelming a reader with info that has not been organized/vetted in some way. But perhaps I’m misunderstanding your vision on this one.

Interestingly enough, I’ve been playing with a hosted e-learning service called Nuvvo that allows students to append blog-like comments directly to content pages. In other words, each page of instructional content is analogous to a blog post. Students can comment on the content and to one another without having to jump to an associated discussion forum. Perhaps not directly related to the topic at hand, but I was reminded of it when I read Dave’s “when is it too much talk” comment.

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