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08/04/2008

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Cole Camplese

Jim, couldn't agree more ... I've had too many experiences where the jump to Word happened to quickly -- typically in the name of presentation and formatting. We then have to wrestle with getting back to collaboration in the Word space. It kills it.

I am wondering if others find the publish to Blog from Google Docs useful?

Jim Leous

Nikki -- I call that "the last mile in Word." What you describe happens all the time with Google docs and many wikis. "The last mile" or "kilometer" is a telecommunications euphemism for the fact that networking providers are very efficient getting the signal to the point where it has to "fan out" to individual customers/subscribers. The "last mile" is the hard and often expensive part. Google Docs especially, but wiki software in general, really works so much better than using "track changes" in Word and e-mailing your version around to others. The problem is when you go to format it for something else, most people go the "last mile in Word" or some other document processing software. My advice to those last milers: Please make sure that the collaborative part is over BEFORE you go that last mile. I've often seen projects messed up in the last mile when this wasn't adhered to.

Nikki Massaro Kauffman

I'd love to see them pass over using the Microsoft suite, which in the best cases takes up time merging tracked changes and emailed copies of versions as well as takes up allocated email attachment space, and in the worst case is not used with tracked changes at all.

However, having used Google Docs on more than a few collaborative projects, I would not say that "It has all the power of Word". As a self-proclaimed "formatting freak" who sometimes prefers the full-power of Microsoft styles, and footnotes, I don't think Google docs is quite there yet as a one-size-fits-all solution.

I've often started slide presentations in Google with groups, only to find the it clunky, export it to wiki for group edits, then have one of use move the final product to PowerPoint, S5, or Keynote.

That said, the best approach is to provide them with the knowledge and skillset to use all of these tools, to be able to understand and evaluate which one to use under a certain set of circumstances, and to feel comfortable switching between them during the course of a project.

Perhaps they brainstorm in a Google doc or wiki and move to Microsoft Office (or iLife, Open Office, etc.) for the final product? Perhaps they start in one tool, find out it does not meet their needs and migrate for the sake of experimentation?

The point is that sometimes we get wrapped up in teaching and advocating a tool, but not in perhaps doing a comparative analysis of the tools or allowing for the possibility that students and other users may need or choose to use more than one tool to do a job.

True, it may intimidate some, who fear, "just one more thing to learn", but to a student population, we owe it to them to introduce and advocate as many tools as they may encounter in the real world.

Cole Camplese

I think posting a doc for sharing feels like a post production kind of thing, while collaborating indicates a mutual production approach.

Peter Linehan

I have used the publish to blog in Google docs a great deal. It works best with Blogger but can also work with Penn State blogs. Google docs gives you more space to work in than most blog editors.

Sharing spreadsheets in Google docs is also useful. An instructor can create a model and then share it with students who can enter their own data or modify it. I am still a bit foggy on the difference between collaborating and posting a file that someone else can copy. It seems like they would be two different things.

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